"Season 1, Episode 4"

Fleabag and Claire might be at a silent retreat, but Chrissie and Allie won't shut up about Emmy predictions, tiny batteries, and surprisingly vulnerable bank managers. Well done, Patricia.

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We have a fix on us. You don't, Mom. I will be there to Cupcake. Hey, everybody. We're back with Episode four of the Gleevec situation. I'm Christy Moore. I'm Ali Lanco Torren and a full disclosure. We

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are recording episodes three and four. Back to back. So we actually don't have any major. We don't know if any major fleabag news happened this week like Phoebe was knighted or Andrew Scott was like photograph snuggling, a koala bear or something that both of those things, honestly, probably they might. They probably have happened, and everybody has already been talking about it for

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days. This is old news. Everybody One thing we do know is

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that the Emmy Awards are a week from Sunday on September 22nd and we actually have

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kind of ignored this tough and we need to get caught up.

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So they got 11 nominations, which is really impressive, especially considering season one got zero. But it, uh I mean Season two really is just incredibly special and

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almost like they need a separate category like it needs its

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own grommet e m e best. Or it should be like when Hamilton was nominated at the Tonys and every show was just like, Well, we're coming for the free booze because we know we're losing. Like I feel that needs to be what fleabag should

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be, if only but hasn't has. But Veep just happens to be in it. Yeah, okay, I can't talk, but v petits last season and Julie Drivers is amazing easel. So there's these two. Good. There's too much TV. I call it

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Peak TV Alley, his peak to know everybody calls it that there is. It really is kind of a great problem to have that there's too much quality television. Absolutely. It's also funny to remember when, like the idea of even just the cable of words with such a joke. Do

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you remember the cable Ace Awards? I know you because I just don't back in like the

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eighties and maybe into the nineties. That was like the cable Aeneas, that it was literally like like Kristin Scott times like the Child Children's Table of Television.

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It was, like

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worse than a People's Choice award. Just really. It was lame. And now the fact that the network shows are bringing represented.

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Yeah, that's like the Amazon, not even his cable.

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It's all streaming, so it's pretty incredible. I saw an interview with that when I saw with Phoebe from season one talking about it, and

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she was really

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just kind of praising how a company like Amazon not only helped fund it. I mean to say, you know what's default? That there are

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problems with Amazon Amazon Prime video, she said. Not only did

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they give him a budget, but they

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also just gave

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him total freedom. And we're just like we trust you dream. Just go do it. And that's why so many of these creators air moving over there now. Suddenly they knew what they were doing right? Thank you for coming to our Ted talk. All

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right, so we want to just kind

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of talk through the nominations that they have and kind of wager We think what they what? They could win. Of course, we'd love to see them sweet, but we need to be realistic. These air think you're just in alphabetical order off of the Emmys website. Outstanding casting. Olivia Scott Webb. Outstanding directing for a comedy, Serious Harry. Brad Beer. And this was I saw somewhere else They submitted Episode one The

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Dead. Yeah. Season to You, which a lot of people

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are saying is like a perfect episode of television. There was a Twitter thread going around, like name a perfect episode of television. A lot of people were naming this outstanding single camera picture editing Gary Donor. I can't see here who the other nominees are, but I would really love to see him win this.

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I know waiting is so part of it, it's it's such a part of it, such

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a hallmark of the show. Especially that episode, and I've I have to confess. I've never watched the Emmys desperate to see who's gonna win for best picture editing. Never have. But I'm really genuine. I think this might be one of the creative arts, and

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I was gonna say, Do they actually give? This is

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probably a week before the Creative Arts, which I think runs on F X X on the US I'm not sure about more in the U. K. Yeah, and then somebody named Phoebe Waller Bridge is nominated for outstanding lead actress in a comedy series. She is probably gonna lose to Julia Louis Dreyfus, which, of course, makes sense. It's her last season on being

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right. She's a legend. Has she already? I think this

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would break her record of most Emmys won by a single actor. I think Cloris Leachman

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hasn't previously, and I think that be cool. Yeah, and both. Um, here's the worms. Go cats. Uh, just like you.

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We're basically all best friends. We sit together at the Games. Outstanding supporting actress in a comedy series. Sean Clifford got nominated for Claire and then Olivia. Colman also got nominated for Godmother. So I think in this one they're talking about Alex Borstein winning for Mazel

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Yeah, who is very funny on that she won last means she did. Yeah. Do you watch measles? Yeah. Do I? I'm sorry. It's about the sixties. It's a Jewish family in New York. It's about comedy. Just checks all my box. That's true. I should have come on.

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That was a dumb question. Actually, That fifties or sixties,

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I think it's likely fifties architects easier? I don't know. I think it's like for a period of minutes. Late fifties. Did you hear

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about the Emmy stunt that they did in L. A. No. So Amazon has had a little tricky thing because they're promoting both mazel and fleabag for Emmys. But they did it. And so in L. A. They had the pop up Cafe Cafe. Yeah, of which a friend of mine went thio, actually real guinea pigs that you

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could stop. Oh, that's nice. Super like rescue guinea pigs. They were they were, like from a shelter

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or something. And then So they did that. That was their fleabag kind of event. And then they did a thing called Mazel Day, where they partnered with, like, 30 different come 30 different businesses across L. A and Amazon subsidised for them to charge 1959 prices just for the day. So, you know, you could go to, like, like, Dr R and get a blowout for, like, $4

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any seriously bread for five cents. It was It was like that. I

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mean, for, like, 25 cents

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or something. Fine. But they actually ran into a problem because someone thought

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would be a good idea to do that at a gas station. And they had 30 cents a gallon gas. And of course, they had to like, the police had to shut it down. There's a crazy, crazy line. I think they were close to running out of it was insane.

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Yeah, that's come on. Think it was kind of

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a little Maybe someone at Amazon wasn't quite

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otherwise. Go get your hair. Yeah,

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there it was, like a four hour wait to get something like nail salons were. And then I think a lot of them were just handing out gift certificates, like if you couldn't get

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in, That's a cute, really super

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smart. And I think a great indication how much money. And

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so, my God, they're just literally

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giving it away practice. Yeah. So, um anyway, so they're pushing strong for Mazel and Alex Borstein is how I would love to see

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of the two addiction. Look to see Sean Clifford because Olivia Colman already has her e. I mean, she's she's brilliant. Resumes I shot, however, is like, this is her breakout role, you know, Just still, she almost stole the show. You know, I'm really just thrilled, Chief, It's such an honor that she got nominated. But in a way, I think that

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is kind of if she doesn't win, that's her recognition.

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Yeah, because

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she was such a critical kind of, like, almost dark horse on the show,

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and she didn't get it. Any recognition

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in the first season? So, you know, in no better than Yang. So that was That was great. And then, actually, Fiona Shaw, who played the count, um, the counselor own arms I'm taking I'm getting ahead of myself. So outstanding guest actress in a comedy series. Fiona Shaw for playing the counselor. Yeah, and

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I haven't Dr Forearms have dry for her. I hope she's

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okay. Put the lotion work. Yeah, critically. Kristin Scott Thomas, as Belinda. Also nominated, I think she's going to Yeah, I guess the other per kind of projection on one of the Hollywood Reporter was that Jane Lynch would win for Mazel.

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I think she was. Did she win last year? I don't know. I feel like she may have I It's

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fine. It's a fine performance. And it's, you know, I guess, a fitting character for that era. But she's kind of like the old timey like place. Immediate. Yeah. Media places like wise character. Yeah, even though she's actually, like, super referring. Yeah, yeah, But Fiona Shaw is also nominated for best supporting actress in a drama for Killing Eve.

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Oh, so she uses her in both show she digs her. She had her. She was killing you first. And then she brought over for this. Okay, then, s o. I think

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Kristin Scott Thomas is gonna win because that was such a standout scene from the whole show. Everybody was quoting it. It was perfectly written, perfectly acted.

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Yeah, and done and done. I think people, it was kind of fun to see Kristin Scott top. We haven't seen

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her in a while this year, so I think that would be great for her to win and then outstanding writing for a comedy. Siri's Phoebe for episode I think she could win that

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I do, too, because that I mean, you know, I think that

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will make up for them not winning best comedy certain because I think Veep is probably gonna win. Don't get me wrong. I You saw an article that said was like a three way tie, kind of right wing veep Mazel in flea bag in terms of like odds like Vegas odds. Really, I would mean I'm hosting a

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show. Exciting mission. I would load safely. Fag win. I think it could happened. Possibly.

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I think it is kind of like Dark Horse. I think a lot of people in Hollywood are watching it and talking about it and kind of. But the because

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it's veep is all over the place. It was also, it's less sees. Everybody loves Dreyfuss. What I could see

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is that Julia Louis Dreyfus wins for best actress, and that's the recognition of the show. And I could also see Tony Hale winning supporting because he kind of that last episode Did you watch? I mean, I don't I won't give anything away, But he he played a critical role. The end, Yeah, so and I don't think he had been. He's one before for and he might have.

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I don't know. I should know that. Actually, no. Tony Hale's detailed awards. I actually saw

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him Atlanta airport once coming on that plane. Yeah, great story. So, you know, I think he could win for that and that maybe they'll acknowledge the show that way. And that fleabag could come out and win best comedy. That would be amazing. But in the meantime, I think she will definitely win for writing because I think the other nominees are a couple. And I think there's some deep episodes it'll like, cancel each other out. Yeah, uh, and I think they would just love to acknowledge her in this way her specifically and then outstanding cinematography for a single camera. Siri's half hour 20 Milner, Who's the director of photography on? And then there is one Maur. And it is not for Andrew Scott who did not get nominated.

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Listen up, that was I.

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Oh, for outstanding comedy series. Obviously. So, uh, yeah, the fact that interest captain contaminated and I had seen the Hollywood reporter kind of predicting that he would not Oh, yeah, it was He was kind of always in the like, long shot category, and I think there were. There's just too much competition. Yeah, I think between veep 20 Handle V. I think I can't believe somebody else from Veep is nominated. But then, like there's three guys from Barry. I mean, yeah, guys from bury. Her nomination is very break. Various. Fantastic. So I think it was just crowded. Yeah, which was a real bummer I would love. I don't know if they have been They have really announced any presenters yet.

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There's no host for the show. Their case for Matt. They have little just gave up. What? It's a show that time. Really? You're not gonna do what? Like people aren't gonna like it. The Oscars last year were kind of great with our host. Yeah, it really your office when it clipped along, it kind of

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just moved. And yeah, I did take the pressure off in like everybody said Now there's just like

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like, Oh, this is how we do it now. Okay? Yeah, I think it's like with cancel culture and with they're like, it's just a

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no win proposition. Yeah, like you. You can on Lee hurt your career by doing it. At this point, I don't know any through. I mean, yeah. I mean, they're usually a little

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longer going gloves. Oh, no, that's the Golden Gloves. Going gloves with a drinker, the drunk ease. But this is still legally,

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a little more low key. I feel like, Yeah, certainly than the Oscars. Yeah, for sure. But we could see they might present Phoebe and Andrew might present and horribly, we fantastic. Once I know what I saw, I just posted this clip this week of Bill Hater was on a serious radio show saying they were asking about awards and eggs Bill hater and just like course. You think you're the coolest dude. And they he just mentioned is like, you know, shit like fleabag. Like That's just like you such a fan of. And you also mentioned Atlanta. You You watch these? Yeah, just like, you know, I'd be glad to lose to these shows, like So

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what a guy. He mentioned

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somewhere else, too. That was like, one of the best things he'd seen. Um, anyway, like him,

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he is just the end up man. It's a week from

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Sunday they're airing on Fox in the U. S. Um, not sure how they get carried in the UK. For me, it's usually just a chance to It's always a chance to get in pajamas at 6 p.m. Absolutely. And eat Chinese food, then look at pretty dresses, pretty dresses. And, you know, I wonder what kind of crazy cam he's gonna have this year. Do

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the man he can't anymore. Like I said, get the pretty soon. They're

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just gonna put him in like one of those, like circus Olay balls, like rolling down the red carpet.

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That's like a newsy like the fox roll cage that's called

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something. We're gonna look it up. Yeah, we're It's called like zonk ing or every person they set up big bowling pins at the end and the role of celebrity down the red

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carpet. That's a building. And if you

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get a strike, you win the Emmy.

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Yeah. I mean, at that point,

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you deserve it. Yeah, And Ryan Seacrest just stands there going

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or you knock around secrets down There you go. One of the anyway. Gonna be great. All right, we Enough

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nonsense. It is time today we're talking about Episode one I did it again. I

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must episode one season for how wishful thinking is that Season one

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Episode four which is the silent retreat. So we will dig right into that after welcome back to the fleet back situation. All right, we are ready to dive into Episode four of Season one, which is called Episode four and threatened by Phoebe Waller Bridge Directed by Harry Brad Beer And this is the classic silent retreat episode. So pumped this for me. Just generally, this episode was a turning point for me. I don't know about you, but, like, yeah, like I said, I'd tell people if they haven't, they're watching Season one, and they're not totally loving it. I'm gonna get to the silent

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at least get to the silent retreat. Yeah,

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and I'll, you know, we can talk more after that if you're still not feeling it. But there's something special about this episode. Really? Maybe realize the show was more than I expected it to be and was kind of deeper than I expected it today. So we'll start talking about, uh, we start with clearance. And fleabag are in the car driving players, driving, being sisters, being totally sisters, Claire saying, like nobody

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could hold a map in their

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head. Why are you not just using? You're

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sat now, but I was like, What is that? I guess his GPS have his GP, as in British satellite navigation. And, uh, which it's like a metaphor

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for the personalities Is that clear? Follows every direction. Fleabag, just wings. It somehow manages.

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And she thinks she knows better,

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right? So as they're driving fleabag reds handle the car in Claire's like Stop judging my driving total sister sibling thing. Then eventually, just like you missed the turn. You

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have a sat nav on your

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phone. They finally find it. And I love how she goes. Oh, there it is mindful, Oh, God, farm. Okay,

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so good. And then my favorite, what she's like. Do you know what the lesbian after grind your skull? So what now? When I love that you like fleabag just came

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up with that. And so that makes clear laugh, who then transitions from laughing into full on crying,

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and I I did not know what that was. I was just like Okay, she's clear. She's weird. She's depressed. Maybe her emotions come out in weird ways. And then you pointed out like, No, she knows she got the Finland job. We know that in the later right? Yeah, yeah, but like, she's noticing all these things about her life. Well, yeah, we met, She'll miss. Yeah, and she's like, Don't make this

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fun, right? And like, I need to just be convinced that nothing in my life is fun. And therefore I am moving to possibly Moving to Finland is fine,

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right? But we don't know that yet. We just think something's up, right? I did. I also like that. So when Phoebe while our bridge and Vicky Jones have their dry right, um, production company and they had these, like monthly artist or writers events, they would do these prompts like to make the audience feel one way and then immediately make them feel the other way and clears just example. Exhibit A right of that, she goes from laughing, and and I was like, Oh, she's laughing. Yeah, you're right. She can relax and then just sobbing, right? You're like, Oh, no, it's clear. She's And she's saying and laughing

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can do that. Sometimes you are like trying to keep something down. I remember when I came back from maternity leave and if I ever told you this story? I came back from maternity leave and

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it was so

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much laughing. It's just like when you're trying not to cry. God, I hate up and any kind of emotion. Then, like cracks, it and I had come back from maternity leave. It was my first day, and I was kind of just ignoring everybody to those just, like, keep it together, keep it together. And I passed this guy Brad, and he's like, um,

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how you doing? Oh, how you doing? And I literally just was like, fine. And I went into my boss's office and I just was like, I was doing find bread like just sobbing. And she was like, What did he say you like you's at home doing? He just reminded me that I'm feeling that I feel bad. Yeah, uh, there definitely is

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that feeling when you're trying so hard not to cry or you're tryingto bottle something up. Yes, and

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I also thought

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it was interesting how, in season two, Claire is like, there's that seems to be a soft a sore point. Two of like

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I can be funny too. I wouldn't

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believe it's too funny. So it was again. It seems like you don't actually be funny. I want to not think that about you.

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Right. I'm OK. Fucking excellent. As

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Miss Kerr is like pouring out

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clearly. Okay. Yeah, I know. I see mental, but I'm fine. At least you know Ellis yourself aware, right? And then such a sister's

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moment of like they know each other so well when she's like, Sometimes I need you to not just take the piss,

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don't finish my sentences. Take the piss like that is exactly what I was driving. She can't let her fleabag cannot let Claire have the last word she like. She does. But then she says it to us to us because she can't just let it. And just also

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showing, like I know her so well. Right then asked like, Is it something with Martin and which

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is, like, Martin's being lovely, like the look on her

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face to say, like her husband's being nice to her surprise, it's such a shock. And, you know, you wonder, is he making up for a guilty conscience knowing what he did at the party trying to, like, be convinced that his marriage is great. Exactly. Here. Claire has finally got have opened up a little, and then sleep. I look so it's just fucking psycho.

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Which, in a way is almost like white people don't open up about their problems because they assume you

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think you're a psycho. So we get the little jazzy music now they're walking up to this. Amazing. I mean, this looks gorgeous. I actually kind of want to know where this is. It's pretty laser down. Abby. Yes. Spot. If Downton Abbey had a spot that would really would. And when she goes, Dad really splashed it out. This time,

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which we have some references that he's got some money. They never really.

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They've never said what he did or, well, his career was. Certainly where they live is very nice.

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So Dad has money? Yeah. Dad clearly has some money and a guilty conscience, right. Female to connect

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about to do something Almost. And his daughters. Yeah, but then she said, No, it's just Mother's Day, which clears seems to have forgotten. Um, and I couldn't save her experience like when you lose your mom. Mother's Day is the worst of the days because even like family days like her birthday or like the anniversary of when she died, like those things only we know about. But man Mother's Day, it's like you go to buy, you know, some milk and everywhere, and it's like

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Happy Mother's eyes

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just reminds you and hits you over and over. Yeah. Um, so it was fitting. I thought that they incorporated that into here like that. He would be conscious of like, it's Mother's Day. So I need to do something for them and send them to a place where they cannot speak to each other.

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But here's the thing again. And I have said this about season two

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when he gives her the counselor voucher, which will get, too. But

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in a way, this actually was good for the two of them. Like he kind of almost stumbles. You know, they added the generally parenting. Yeah, this wasn't

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actually a completely left field kind of thing, and then, but they even joke. We're not supposed to bond on this, are we? Actually, again, they always have to undercut like the real feelings with a joke, and then, you know it's a silent retreat. We find out that they're, you know, they're not gonna talk at all. And then even when she's kind of tries to be like, How's everything at the CAF? It's like you don't have

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to, And then she's a thank thank you like they just know. And I feel like they're

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also just starting to not have the energy to keep up appearances anymore with

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and then wait

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like that's closer to say like you. We don't have to talk like

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they love each other. You don't have to have the small talk. Small talk is right. You don't know each other.

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It would be better to have silence than to just make small talk.

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So I love that they agree everyone loudly. I mean, I think fleabag leads it. But then Claire starts purchased. Hello, Hello, good morning, Good morning, Hello And everyone's just like silently nodding and like that, I love when they

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ring the doorbell, and Claire just again needs this retreat more than anybody.

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She cannot zero patience kill herself.

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It's like five seconds between ringing the bell and nobody's coming, and she's just like, uh and then this little not the wink or something of a fleabag going, They're probably gonna think we're a couple, you know, we'd make a really

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cute couple. It's like the thought. The fact that you're mind even goes there. But then I feel like it is

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like that love story between them.

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Like the only person I'd run through an airport for is you Exactly

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off camera. You just heard

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slots. And her response story on? Yes. Like without without blinking an eye. That's one of my favorite like, bits of the hold series. Because it's also for her like, Oh, now this place got interest, right? For seriously, like, God, I'm not gonna be in silence with a bunch of women. They're actually some,

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like, really follow, man. You know what the fuck is

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actually going on, right? It's such a good juxtaposition. It's so stupid. She kind of then verbalize is

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when Claire goes like,

spk_1:   23:38
we're gonna die here, raped and die, and three bags like every cloud, which was like like, that would be the highlight

spk_0:   23:45
of the scenario for me. And then somewhere I feel like there's a parallel here with season two. And when they come over is like, how is everything are win. Claire's like off the sauce is

spk_1:   23:55
I get to the waitress. How's everything? Looks delicious.

spk_0:   23:58
And so it's like open the fucking doors for

spk_1:   24:00
fucking vor high like the door open. Really beautiful ground, Beautiful. But the again they're talking and, like, they know they're going against other cells to do. They they can't like, just follow the rules. And then the woman

spk_0:   24:13
signing the men, I just we've We've seen this woman like, even if you just go get a massage. I like hushed tone. She's just so at peace with herself. And I heard on that same interview about season one that Phoebe was saying with a feminist lecture. She kind of wanted to show that you can show things that are the thing itself is actually good, like it's obviously good to support feminism. You could also acknowledge that their elements of it that are either boring or condescending or just kind of awful.

spk_1:   24:40
Yeah, I think she's making a point of like in every she's an in perfect feminist feminism, and all you can do is try your fucking best well, and there's also

spk_0:   24:51
just you still have people underneath. You have flaws and either I just kind of felt that here and then the fact that the two of them both don't really want to be there. This woman's acting to slicks. You're black. You're welcome.

spk_1:   25:03
I like how there's a sign in the offices as talking zone like that's where they're allowed. It's like treating them like Children, right? Like the women I don't know. It's really comparing women to like little Children, not letting them speak like really reprimanding them. All right,

spk_0:   25:16
right. And Claire's asking, Do you have WiFi? She has no plans to unpleasant,

spk_1:   25:21
no idea what to single peds

spk_0:   25:23
or double, and they both answer at the same time. Of course, Claire says two singles and fleabag Astor's double trolling Claire totally. And like playing to this idea that they're a couple. Do you get

spk_1:   25:33
newspapers in the in the clear even asked

spk_0:   25:35
for a separate room. But she is so like by yeah, and then No, you have to do that. Well, then singles and you get newspapers. Is there any way for me to disengage from this? Like I don't want to really focus here at all that I love? Wouldn't fleabag kind of mimics the woman's prayer. Hands like bows a little like I'm just like you like it.

spk_1:   25:53
Yeah, What's funny here is like flea bags, actually, kind of following the rules a little more, but she's doing It was a long and cheek. Don't know that, but right.

spk_0:   26:02
And they're talking about reading the news and I like flea bags thing about like, what happened in the news. Sting wore white jeans and that probably got stuck in a fan,

spk_1:   26:12
which I enjoyed that clear, like, really laughs at that. Yeah, that was funny. Like, there's a smile. I thought that was cute. Yeah, and now Claire has

spk_0:   26:19
brought this, like pharmacy of beauty supplies with her, and I like the juxtaposition here again, A fleabag has, like one thing for her arms on her face cream for my face and body and which Claire probably looks like That is like, you're not taking care of yourself. But then there's also a little bit of like an effortlessness that actually ahead. Yeah, and even the fleabag looks like Claire of, like Why? She's just so beautiful. Like, has her act together, but at the same time would never want to go through all that.

spk_1:   26:49
I also was, like, clear. You're the one that can't wait to get old. And you're, like, obsessed with preserving. She doesn't want to give yours again. Yeah. No, Totally. Mentally. You look hot. Yeah. And what would

spk_0:   27:00
you do if somebody stole all those? I'd kill

spk_1:   27:02
myself. Then fleabag finds the tiny batteries Any what? These four and I love again this knowing like that. I've only seen amused for alarm clocks. And Garak, until we're pretending vibrating also, just like I'm just prepared. And also, why not just put the batteries in the vibrator to begin with? Yeah, Like what? Maybe that would have been a

spk_0:   27:24
job running down. It would have been a joke

spk_1:   27:28
that this Claire didn't have to ask

spk_0:   27:30
for us. Separate room she wants, have awake. She could give her some space. I love how mortified Claire is. I've got this handle scenario. She's not used to talking so casual about sex and then just being honest, and that the fact that her sister is the one witnessing all this and driving it is, uh is just more to find her. And then she goes, You're so immature. It's like Claire's. The one who was being totally embarrassed by the idea of sex.

spk_1:   27:56
I also love that fleabag like I'll go if you need room. If you need time on that, moisturize my wrists for bit, for sticking up for obsessed with moisturizing very specific parts of their bodies. I didn't even catch that. That was like the dry forearm. Uh, yeah, I'll do that

spk_0:   28:13
for 10 minutes, Although she does do something else. Well, that's funny. Evan Clark starts going bathroom and she's like, Well,

spk_1:   28:18
give it a minute. She's so disc and

spk_0:   28:21
like you bet on a trip like the fastest way to bond someone you're sharing Bond with someone you're sharing a hotel room with is to acknowledge that that is a thing that's going to happen if people are people. Yeah, I actually was staying with someone who was like, I

spk_1:   28:34
have to go the

spk_0:   28:34
bathroom. I'm just gonna go down to the lobby

spk_1:   28:36
like what she's like. Well, I just I kind

spk_0:   28:38
of have to go. Then I was like,

spk_1:   28:40
It's fine. Everybody does that. Yeah, all good. Moisturize my wrists for my God. It's funny when she's like, What is wrong with your inside? Even the fact that flea bags shit stinks. Yes, is a judgment from player. Well, because cleared Claire probably would like to believe she doesn't shit or that fire, which is our and that

spk_0:   28:59
just, you know, comes out like in a neat little package with a bow on it. They're

spk_1:   29:02
also like yelling at each other, and that's true. Doesn't start again. Straight up, they're still in the talking zone. And then we see

spk_0:   29:11
the flash back now with boot, taken the batteries out of the hotel long flea bag. It's just openly holding a vibrator here. And it's another contrast of how her relationship with booze in a way more sisterly, total and open and honest than what she has with Claire.

spk_1:   29:26
Absolutely. So then we open with them in this, like big meeting room. They're starting the retreat and this woman very serious.

spk_0:   29:36
Fancy. Well, yeah, well, and there's the at the end of the flashback, there's Vo. That kind of covers the end of it. This is let go of your past. Yes, and they come back and see that goes a bit on the

spk_1:   29:45
nose, which is a little meta Yeah,

spk_0:   29:48
from because of Biggie, because it is And like, that's another moment was kind of I mean, I guess it was a good line. And the kind of wakes to the fact that, like, I'm talking directly to you, right? And I know

spk_1:   29:57
and her whole thing is her past, you know, like, you can't ignore that. Uh oh,

spk_0:   30:01
yeah, they're this woman's, like, setting up this retreat.

spk_1:   30:03
Exactly. So she goes, Welcome to the female only breath of silence. Retreat. And then there's just a man sitting there, like Like that was amazing comments. Perfectly like, How did he get there? Why? Because he's not quite in focus. But you see

spk_0:   30:20
that there's a man there. The name of it is women, don't you? No. I love that. Which the seminar, the feminism seminar was Women speak.

spk_1:   30:29
What do women d'oh! And then p w b r fleabag is so upset when he leaves. Yeah, like it's supposed to be over there where they're yelling, fulfilling slow? Yes,

spk_0:   30:39
like shame, huh? And then when the instructors like, why are you here? And she has the perfect isn't perfect answer. I want to shut the noise out on the road to feeling Maura at one with myself, and it's kind of like when she's at the counselor and gives her the perfect answer about who she is. Even though in a way, it's like both things are true. She's just saying them in a way that

spk_1:   31:01
she knows. That's what I'm trying to say, and she'll get a good response, right? Right, That's what they want to hear.

spk_0:   31:06
Yeah, and then I lost. This weekend is about being mindful. It's about leaving your voice inside your head, trapping your thoughts in your skull.

spk_1:   31:16
You think of it as a thought prison in your mind, which, honestly, though, that is flea bags life. She's in a thought. That stranger mind. Yeah, she like it has an incredible inner life that nobody else that no one knows about it except for us.

spk_0:   31:33
That's a really great point. And the idea that women everything just needs to stay inside, right? Don't let it

spk_1:   31:39
out so much. So it's a prison bought prison in your mind, as opposed to where, like as opposed to where else? With them. Yeah, and she's describing what they're gonna

spk_0:   31:49
do, like the breathing, meditation, menial tasks. And then they lay the groundwork of if you need to talk to anyone right on this board. And, yeah, they ignore, like, what if there's an

spk_1:   32:00
emergency? But I think you should carefully address, but that's fine. I also the husband that they call the staff superiors like they're just getting right down to it right? This cos they're better than you

spk_0:   32:10
because they've found in peace and

spk_1:   32:12
right so much so

spk_0:   32:13
that they work you. And then we see flea bag on the ground trimming grass and looks at us because this is just her hell, not only having to stay silent and be part of this, but now do menial task

spk_1:   32:24
grass with tiny scissors. That's actually my nightmare. Honestly, I mean, I understand

spk_0:   32:28
the premise of it that you get by focusing on

spk_1:   32:31
because, yes, we all have. Sometimes when

spk_0:   32:33
I'm trying to write, and all of a sudden it's like, You know what I need to just like but fold laundry, something mindless

spk_1:   32:40
that's at least productive. Actually,

spk_0:   32:43
I've taken a look at my yard. I could do with

spk_1:   32:46
some Chinese trimming. What? My neighbors just saw me out there. How many? Just like

spk_0:   32:51
trimming weeds with a nail scissors?

spk_1:   32:53
I'm meditating. I'll just nice. Look at the magic. That's my new wayto me. And my thought was

spk_0:   33:01
stopped talking to neighbors Bother. I'm kidding. I love my neighbors were the best. We

spk_1:   33:08
see the woman in the background swatting the insect. I mean, this episode is just It feels like

spk_0:   33:12
everything starts to gel in terms of like comedy and heart and drama and care. Everything is so perfectly

spk_1:   33:20
thought. It really kind of like she's off in the background. This woman is running after this could be just rotting. It's something and she can't scream. She can't save, get shushed. And even when she kind of goes like just a quick she's been stung by a bee. So then we hear it's such a good justice and fleabag like I wanted it with. Yeah, I also think it's fine

spk_0:   33:45
that these two seminars have been scheduled next to each other on the same new

spk_1:   33:49
and, uh, and it's also it's like women have to listen to all this shit being said about them, and they can't say anything well in the fact that

spk_0:   33:59
the women's way to improve is to stay silent, keep your thoughts inside and the way for men to improve is to shout as logs. They dream. Yeah, at a sex doll. I would love to see the inverse of of those, though. Julia. Yes. So she walks toward it. You're busy. Area,

spk_1:   34:13
bitch. Fucking And normally it would be scary, but not walk towards that. Things like a magnet. Like he really jabs trouble. I got moth to the flame. Yeah, and we kind of learned

spk_0:   34:26
that this is a seminar called better man. That's about reprogramming your body, mind and mouth.

spk_1:   34:33
And I love it all the dummies are both our blow up. Blake Sex doll. Yes. Dressed like Yeah, well, they all have different wigs and faces. Yeah, but they're all dressed like mid level managers. Like just a sensible blouse and skirt, right? Yeah, we got So this is Patricia. Yes. Hi, Patricia. They said of this scenario she's been promoted

spk_0:   35:01
over six other candidates, is the youngest ever have this position and the idea that, like men had be trained on hot a hand like

spk_1:   35:07
the six. But you know what, though? I mean, they might have Teoh guy at least these guys. Yeah, but clearly there's something going on, and I think setting this

spk_0:   35:18
up is why the payoff with the bank manager, I think, works so well because I'm getting a head butt. She had said in interviews that she didn't want this to come off. It's like man bashing like, because it's a female driven. Shown just got this feminist angle. She was like, I consciously did not want it to be like all the men were bad. So the idea that these are kind of the more caricature massage,

spk_1:   35:41
you know, this isn't right, so they're not all men. Okay, Chris, But then

spk_0:   35:47
when you get to is great moment with the bank manager, it just adds that nuanced. Yet he's a person, yes, more three dimensional, actually, when they're talking in that men seminar, if you look close in the background, you can see bank manager there. But you're kind of distracted by the guy who's been told to yell slushies, young slut!

spk_1:   36:06
Because I've been acting Yeah, and it's almost like

spk_0:   36:08
a magic trick. It's like this direction.

spk_1:   36:10
Yes, and then the leader give what should we say to her? And they're like, totally quiet, and the bank manager is the only one with the balls you like Well done, Patricia. Like they all had to think about it. And then right at that moment, he sees sleeping bag. Yeah, when he also says that kind of Sadly, Yeah. Well done, Patricia. I think he because he later says he's like, I'm just a disappointing man. And it was like, God, has it come to this right? Right,

spk_0:   36:38
right. We see the flashback. You know, he sees her. We see the flashback to identify who he is.

spk_1:   36:43
Yes, and he gives her the weirdest creepy side smile like he's clearly like, What the fuck are you doing here? But his smile, I think he's,

spk_0:   36:50
like, a little bit like I think I remember you. And then, like, yeah, maybe still remembering the awkwardness of that exchange is not

spk_1:   36:56
ideal. This guy who runs over it's like you can't be here. You really can't be here. It's for your own good. Like you like you really might be in danger because they're working them up. Well, for sure, no. Yeah, doesn't seem ideal for a woman. I think it's funny that she's like hiding behind the door with windows in it, like she's like, This is one panel exactly like, Do you think you're gonna fit? Yeah. Okay. Like she's a iguana. Wayland. Okay, this moment they cut back

spk_0:   37:26
to the room. She's walking back into the room and in the background, you see the chalkboard? I've been stung by a

spk_1:   37:31
wasp, all in caps, all in cash. But she is yelling, He's trying to yell, and she's been stung by wasps. It's even funnier

spk_0:   37:38
that it's not a B. I don't know why. WASP is a funny word. It's all. It's so good. And

spk_1:   37:44
this is the moment

spk_0:   37:45
that I feel like converts. A lot of my friends like this is the text message. I guess if they're watching, it's just all

spk_1:   37:50
so I've been somewhat WASP. This is this. What? This is what makes this episode my favorite of Season one, It's Yeah, I feel like it this

spk_0:   37:57
point. I mean, it's it's been funny, but I feel like this is most like, kind of a genuine like this

spk_1:   38:03
feels morally comedy at this point. Then the previous episode, whole Italy. So then they're doing this mirroring exercise, which is clears actual version of Hello, Dolly on every level, like yeah, like is that not only does she have to touch somebody? But she has to touch her sister, who she like, doesn't trust if she washes her hands after she used the back. Exactly. I just heard the way she can't resist letting out that I know. It's like it's a full body shot, full body better. It's also flea bags. Reaction to Martin. Every right, I react. She literally acts like

spk_0:   38:36
she just touched, like a slug or something so gross. Or maybe like she just touched Martin.

spk_1:   38:43
Honestly, we flashed. Right now it's

spk_0:   38:45
bedtime and flea bags asking if she's all right and she's like, Talk to me and then Claire brings up this childhood memory. Do you remember when we used to go top to toe and flee? That kind of looks like

spk_1:   38:57
so weird. And I just love kind of that Claire is again. If she's feeling like

spk_0:   39:01
she might be leaving, she's probably feeling nostalgic and this idea of like, almost reminding of a time when they were closer.

spk_1:   39:08
Yeah, but then fleabag rejects that acts like she's like, just don't Okay, so I don't know what I don't know. We're not gonna do that right. She really does not want a bond. She's like, not entertain this idea. Yeah,

spk_0:   39:20
and then reveals again. Kind of brings it back to a sex joke. Ribose that she found her

spk_1:   39:26
lips it out like a worm. Played slowly, creep, just like comes up cover pictures. That great metallic pink just checking. It's working. Oh, it's

spk_0:   39:37
working. It's definitely workings like, Well,

spk_1:   39:39
it is relentless. So it's kind of funny that she acknowledges that like she's using it. Yeah, I thought that that even says, like, it's actually

spk_0:   39:46
really thoughtful President. Thank you. And it goes back to what fleabag told Martin. If I get or something she'd never get for herself in the fact that that she noticed that that was something clear was telling her.

spk_1:   39:57
Yeah, And then she brings up Martin buying sculpture and says, like he must have been over backwards to get something like that, which shows she appreciated the effort right that he put into it, which was non, which we know, right? But clearly that's out of character for him. So significant enough to make this gift really special, right? Should even

spk_0:   40:17
care about with it actually was. She just did appreciate that he was too effort,

spk_1:   40:22
right? But then I feel like that's when well, then she said, I feel very lucky. And that's when flea bags like, because then it's like I'm lying to you. Yeah, I am. But usually flying

spk_0:   40:31
right function over. Not only that, she's lying, but also Martin.

spk_1:   40:35
Yeah, I kind

spk_0:   40:35
of can't let him have that know that thinks like. And so then she tells her, you know, fleabag comes clean and tells Clair, you know, she stole it from God. Mother, please don't put it pride of place when they come over.

spk_1:   40:53
I thought when she's like, What'd she say? I have to tell you something or something like that. I was gonna say Martin tried to kiss her. Totally. Yeah, and then you're like, Oh, no, there's this other thing. There's this

spk_0:   41:03
other stolen right Exactly. And what she's really disappointed by eso. Then declare, just goes right and turns out the light, and it's like double disappointment. Fleabag has stolen something, and it's just living up to her image and Claire's eyes. Also, she realizes Martin put absolutely no thought into the gift, and that is a disappointment now. So lights out. Yes, fleabag wakes up to this clanging sound and sees that it's 6 a.m. Claire's already up in making her. It's still nice because her thing is, say, I like the sooner we get out and which

spk_1:   41:36
I didn't get, cause it's like, No, it's probably like you and a certain yeah,

spk_0:   41:41
that gives her that like, No, stay quiet. Um, just kind of fishes are I love what you guys That's a really nice outfit,

spk_1:   41:49
which really later they're almost

spk_0:   41:50
kind of wearing the same thing. But, like Claire's is a little nicer

spk_1:   41:54
and she knows what Claire wants

spk_0:   41:55
to hear. She has had a flatter her. Totally yeah, and now she's the instructor is telling them, Delve into your past. Think of something you can't let go of. And let's fleabag. No, she's watching your She closed her eyes closed. But Fleabag doesn't want to close your eyes because she doesn't want to be alone with these actual thoughts.

spk_1:   42:11
And the instructor says, like, you know, a moment of noise, a moment of disruption. And I actually really like that metaphor because that's that's what it is that she she wants to just be following one path with her thoughts

spk_0:   42:22
and keep moving forward. And it's this noise, you

spk_1:   42:26
know, clinging. Yeah, head

spk_0:   42:28
right. And almost like a moment of disruption just in her overall life. Yeah, like things were going fine. And these two events have hit her and just like throwing everything off kilter. Then when she does close your eyes, we get this flashback of a close up of a woman undoing a man's pan. And so we know

spk_1:   42:45
why she's been misting. She has in her eyes. But even then it's still not clear what it

spk_0:   42:51
what that is. I mean, there's not even a connection to boo. It's just something happened, crutch. Something happened sexually with her, and there's this weird moment and then she just looks like this is like, Not for now. Yeah, and it's also like she doesn't want to think about it as a character, but she's also just not gonna let us us in on it just

spk_1:   43:09
yet. Yeah, and I actually I thought was interesting. Is she, like, also doesn't want to give it to them like this is the place where she's supposed to be peaceful and then and think about her feelings, and she's like, Fuck that. No I'm not giving working. I don't have control here. I'm not giving in to the authority like I'm playing you. Yeah, Yeah. Then

spk_0:   43:30
they flip it and say, Well, now think of a moment. You were peaceful and she thinks of boo, of course, and asking if you could change anything in the world, What would it be? Induces my

spk_1:   43:39
thighs. Don't tell anyone. I still tell you. When I said that, which is like

spk_0:   43:42
them at the feminist. Someone are saying they would trade five years for the perfect body and fleet access. He's insecure about her face. And then this is also like when they're in the dressing room and boo saying like,

spk_1:   43:54
No, seriously, there's nothing wrong with your nose. Just surface. I always say the wrong. You just want to snuggle her. Yeah, and they that's again, a judgmental kind of thing. Or

spk_0:   44:05
like a criticism in a way. But it's not a criticism. It's just to loving friends who are just like they don't care about each other's flaws.

spk_1:   44:12
Exactly. I also like that they're in the bed together. They're just hang in in their most comfortable Selves, and it also reflects only clear did not want to get a bed together. You know, like that, right? No difference there. Yeah, that's a great point that basically being booed would have shared a bed. Yeah, that's a great point. Yeah, but the And then at the end, fleabag and clear spoon and, like do share the booth this week anyway, Then

spk_0:   44:40
they're eating at this giant table and fleabag burns her mouth of the soup and shouts out, which

spk_1:   44:45
is the normal thing, you d'oh!

spk_0:   44:47
It is funny that she just goes Yes, like that's a theme little theme about saying the word hot. They're polishing the floor. And now this. Another funny moment with Claire, where it's almost out of character when there's like I don't even do this in my own home. She probably has helped

spk_1:   45:02
exactly like her floors are sparkling. Don't worry, they're clean. She

spk_0:   45:06
didn't do it and flew back, saying, We've paid them to let us clean their house in silence. And Clarity's lets out this guffaw. I can't help it and then immediately start

spk_1:   45:16
like the dam breaks. Like once she shows some emotion, it's she's gone.

spk_0:   45:20
Everything's everything's right at the surface now. I

spk_1:   45:25
kind of like you

spk_0:   45:25
said being treated like Children. They're in the the, uh, instructor's office. Didn't want to come on. You like school? Like a schoolteacher, which she totally is.

spk_1:   45:33
Yeah. Tells them to sit in

spk_0:   45:35
silence for an hour together. Can you imagine?

spk_1:   45:38
No. And also I for, like, two and 1/2 seconds. You're like, 00 maybe they're gonna do it cause they kinda sit to themselves, right? No. And they've actually been

spk_0:   45:47
told. Don't talk to each other. Yeah, which is actually inspires them to open up. Yeah, I believe I just implores Claire to talk to her so she'll scream. She doesn't like it almost starts to do it. Clear. Finally opens up that she got the Finland promotion isn't going to take it. And Oh, I like that fleabag at first. Acts like she doesn't know what she's talking about.

spk_1:   46:06
What promotion and clear kind of leaves her. She's like, Yeah, like she just expects it. Like, how can you not know that I know about? And

spk_0:   46:14
then will that mean you're a millionaire now? Would she say, uh,

spk_1:   46:17
don't be ridiculous. Yes, it would, But she's gonna turn it down

spk_0:   46:24
because Martin says it would be unfair to Jake, and we haven't really heard much about Jacob till now. No and Flee Value explains that Jake is clear, stepson, which again must mean that Martin has a previous marriage,

spk_1:   46:36
and it's frustrating because, like you are were talking before, like when it's a woman's ambition. Yeah, she's reminded of all the other people would affect exactly who has your child, who has your child right now. Right of that kind of

spk_0:   46:47
exactly. So fleabag is explaining that Jake, is this Claire stepson really weird? Probably clinically. Nobody talks about that because nobody in this family talks about anything freaks out if she's gone longer than a day. And then we get

spk_1:   46:58
this fresh pack about him trying to get into the bath, and it's just like the side of him and like the kind of little kid Life's not even but yours breathing thing and and the way the door opens and she's in the bath. And I left

spk_0:   47:12
so hard at the scene and I thought that it would be

spk_1:   47:15
like Archie Well, I just I thought would be like a little kid. Yeah, yeah, there was something about it that I was like This is slightly creepy, but not disturbing, like there's something just

spk_0:   47:25
weirdly cup. It was a combination of like strangely

spk_1:   47:29
creepy but sweet, like a little innocent and like silly and her mortified face. But she wasn't like a danger. She just was kind of like, I just want to be alone. Really No, no, Jake. But then you think you think it's like an

spk_0:   47:44
eight year old boy or something, and she's like,

spk_1:   47:46
he's 50 hot, which is a whole other level, so that is a little, little much. But she's like You have to you know, you have to go to Finland's what you've always wanted. Power suits, fuckload of snow. It's a perfect place for your cold, cold heart and clarity. Like is like I know it doesn't disagree that cold, cold heart Exactly. And you know, if leave exes, don't let other people get in the way of what you want, which is just what women do. Yeah, she kind of

spk_0:   48:12
peppers this obviously with just great life advice. And have you ever read the five regrets of the Dying? It's this hospice nurse who summarized like what our patients have said her. I think about it all the time and like all that thin and one of the themes was, I let other people determine how I live my life. And I I think it's poignant that she's saying on a human level like, Do something you want to do But also, yeah, like a feminist angle of you have worked your ass off right? And like, Go get it

spk_1:   48:44
right It's not He's not even yours like, Well, he's he's your stepson. But it's not even like some little kid. Yeah, at the same care of at the same time,

spk_0:   48:53
I when she goes, you know, my husband isn't other people. And I

spk_1:   48:57
do kind of

spk_0:   48:57
see, this is where Phoebe, so great as a writer because you couldn't take a scene from any characters perspective and see why they might be right. And in this case, it's like, Yeah, fleabag has never had that level of a relationship. She is used to people just kind of being disposable. So

spk_1:   49:13
even at the

spk_0:   49:14
same time, you know, uh, Claire has

spk_1:   49:17
earned this. She does have

spk_0:   49:19
her. So I mean, there are She does have people who care about her, and she cares about ostensibly and it is. It is a different thing to say. Well, I'm gonna move away from my husband and a child, right? Means a teenager, but

spk_1:   49:31
still still. And it's Martin. But still, it's it is Martin. So that you they

spk_0:   49:37
both kind of have a point, which I think is good,

spk_1:   49:39
however, than fleabag has to be, like yo know and tells her about Martin, right? You're

spk_0:   49:46
under your operating under a false image, Martin,

spk_1:   49:48
right? And she just she has to tell her. And Claire Dat Lakers like, did he like she kind of president? The truth. I think she knew

spk_0:   49:56
the truth and just needed to confirm it.

spk_1:   49:59
Sometimes that's just your first reaction. Yeah, is just to like, question something, although she does

spk_0:   50:03
know flee that's capable of lying. So I think she really had to kind of press her. She leaves. We see fleabag return to their room and hear

spk_1:   50:10
slots again, followed by a for a good job. You're an asshole. And again, they have no qualms about routing the site here. She's trying to

spk_0:   50:19
have, like, a genuine, thoughtful moment, and it's interrupted by that, um

spk_1:   50:25
and and I love that, she confessed that, like Martin tried to kiss her. Then she's She gets called the next day. She here is let the next thing she hears this. Yes, like never heard that before. So she sees them all outside, buy out by the

spk_0:   50:39
bonfire, where they're all yelling slut. And then Reese applauding. And that Arthur throwing something into the bonfire and bank manager. They finish up, and he's like everybody. It's great. They're also want

spk_1:   50:51
Tricia lovely, lovely. And the bank manager is just the way he's

spk_0:   50:56
carrying this doll and he sees flea bag, and the instructor tells him, like Go on, you can do it. And I wonder if he had brought up that story to that group, at least to the instructor.

spk_1:   51:08
Or if it's just like Go on, there's a woman, It's a woman. You could do it. You can talk to a woman. So now we get

spk_0:   51:15
to this just incredibly beautiful scene with flea bag in the bank manager sitting together, smoking. And this within this episode, which was a turning point, this scene was a turning point. Yeah, because it a the fact that she brought him back a character you thought was just there for, like, a quick joke.

spk_1:   51:32
Yeah, brought him back. Made him sympathetic. Yep.

spk_0:   51:36
Showed forgiveness to him and then, like you said, gave her a platonic relationship, which she's literally never had with a man with a man we know of. And then just his actual speeches. Just so moving. And the music is gorgeous and I just really After that scene, it was like, this shows something special. And I my friend, who had told me to watch it, I texted her and I was like, Oh, my God, she's like washing a cup and watching my wife drink from it Like it just It was so beautiful, Unbelievably gorgeous,

spk_1:   52:06
because that is, that's the simple stuff, is just you want. He wants to be able to

spk_0:   52:09
just live a normal life. Yeah, and that's where it went from. Okay, we're making men a joke, and everybody's just, you know, yelling sluts to this really like, flawed man who, similarly with the priest, like they do have a connection in some way. But Nam Lee, they're both flawed, and they both were just kind of trying to figure out what went wrong in their life. And they're just gonna maybe help each other. You can

spk_1:   52:34
always floundering through it. But yeah, they're trying, at least right? And he had asked

spk_0:   52:39
like it for businesses surviving. And she says no.

spk_1:   52:42
And it is interesting

spk_0:   52:43
that she is keeping her mouth shut like staying quiet, almost like she wants him to be. The vulnerable one wants to hear his story. Yeah, And then, you know, when he said I'm a very disappointing man, I'm just a very disappointing man

spk_1:   52:56
because he says he he touched a colleague's breast more than one right? And then she she's like, opens up yeah, her whole body to, like, offer him her boob. It's kind of a joke. Yeah, yeah, and and I don't know

spk_0:   53:10
if it's meant to allude to this in the play. There's kind of a more graphic and disturbing moment with Joe, like the old guy, where yeah, she takes her shirt off like kind off like offers herself to him. And, yeah, it's kind of it's

spk_1:   53:23
a different vibe. I feel totally, and I do love his answers like No, thinks I'm trying to quit. Yeah, that's real. That was really cute. And so his speech

spk_0:   53:31
here, where he says they keep asking me What do you want from this workshop? What do you want? I'm not telling them what I want, which I love that I want to move back home. I want to hug my wife, protect my Children, Protect my daughter. Want to move on? I want to apologize to everyone. Want to go to the theatre? I want to take clean cups out of the dishwasher, put them in the cupboard at home. And the next morning, I want to watch my wife drink from them and I want to make her feel good. I'm gonna make her orgasm again and again. Truly like how he looks

spk_1:   54:02
at her like I truly believe me. Yeah,

spk_0:   54:05
And like, I want to be selfless like, you know, and And I think that piano music underneath it is so gorgeous. And I actually keep think like I wish I could get it on like a probably is available.

spk_1:   54:19
Yeah, it's one of these

spk_0:   54:20
scenes that I feel it makes production and writing like this look easy. It just feels effortless And, you know, the writing, acting, the music, it just all

spk_1:   54:30
And it could all like, Oh,

spk_0:   54:32
this this just happened and they just happen to recorded?

spk_1:   54:34
Yes, exactly. It could be, like, kind of lame and like to cheesy totally. And it is just not, you know, it's so pure. It's really

spk_0:   54:44
pure. Yes, and the writing was just like clean and sharp and like, I feel like you take it for granted that she

spk_1:   54:51
sat down

spk_0:   54:52
and wrote this. Yep, and like people got to like

spk_1:   54:54
State like a silly They got together and they shot it

spk_0:   54:57
like you just forget that this was kind of made up. Yeah, it just feels so authentic and so riel. Exactly. And I also in addition to him, kind of having this like catharsis where he's like letting all the stuff out that it's also a hint of the kind of life she would like probably with a man someday. And hurt, recognizing of Like It's the simple pleasures that are the things that you're gonna appreciate. Andi, even for her sex, is just this like tool to That's just habit, habit and, like a tool, do not like the idea of being with someone who you want to make the other person happy. Yeah, is is different for her? Yes. Um, totally. It's just I wish this could have won an Emmy like it really is. Uh, but I can't think of a good

spk_1:   55:49
It's special. Yeah, peace. It's just like a piece. I wish it could

spk_0:   55:53
have wanted it because it feels like the high point of season one angry and that once you get to this, you kind of make that term. You're like, Oh, this is not just this crazy wild, you know, shocking woman for shock value. This has actual depth, too.

spk_1:   56:10
Yeah, and everybody has a story and everybody has reasons. Yeah, and I think I think it's

spk_0:   56:15
also that theme of forgiveness because that is so much of what's missing now, Justin culture where this guy and especially, you know, that's get off in like a me too conversation. But there's a lot of people talk about that cancel culture And can we talk about like, how did these men kind of come back from this? Not saying that somebody who has, like, raped multiple women should should be just like back on CBS news or whatever. I don't think Charlie was raped women, but you know what I mean? Yeah. Um Matt Lauer might have. But if I don't, maybe there's a dangerous territory to go down. It's just more the idea that okay, in maybe in today's culture, this guy, As soon as you hear that story about him, you write him off completely. And here we're getting this idea that, like he acknowledges, he made a mistake. He feels bad about it. He wants to apologize.

spk_1:   57:06
He's disappointed in himself. Yeah, I thought he was better. And the only

spk_0:   57:10
way for somebody like nobody is perfect, right? Everybody's gonna fuck up at some point. And if we don't have a method of except, like if someone's willing to actually do the work and in this case, genuinely show remorse, remorse then and humanity live better moving forward, right? Yeah. And the fact that she even as a feminine, you know, in this case, character is a feminist is accepting of this and listening to this, and Yeah, I

spk_1:   57:39
just kind of gave me a little hope. I don't know, just

spk_0:   57:41
really just felt like I like a ball until, like, a lot of these. Yeah, um, some of the division now.

spk_1:   57:49
Yeah. No, I agree. And then she decides This is the only time she's gonna be vulnerable with someone other than her dad. That first episode when she says, I just want to cry all the time. If she has not, she's also she She's not

spk_0:   58:05
speaking to us this whole time. Yeah, you're right,

spk_1:   58:07
you're not.

spk_0:   58:08
Isn't looking at Austin this scene. We're just watching it when she

spk_1:   58:12
says that, and she doesn't even try

spk_0:   58:15
to articulate what's wrong. Like when she talks her dad, She kind of goes to this list of like it was my fear of all these things, and this is just like giving in if you like. I just want to cry like I don't even know why. But this is just how I'm feeling right now, and he gives her that little like Stay silent like zip your lips kind of gesture. But it's like a kind way. It's almost like you don't have to say anything else. You don't have to defend yourself. Not that she was gonna defend yourself, but it's almost like little

spk_1:   58:42
enough that's you don't need to

spk_0:   58:43
talk, and I just I just love this relationship and like it again. Like I said, it feels like the connection she kind of has with the priest later on a lower level. But the idea that you never know who's gonna come into your life and who will change it,

spk_1:   58:57
right? I also I saw him doing sort of the, uh, zip your lips, sort of being like your secret's safe with me, like I got you. And she doesn't have to level here. Yeah,

spk_0:   59:09
totally. I mean, who are they gonna

spk_1:   59:10
tell that? But I saw that, too. It is. It's a confidentiality trust, like, sort of acknowledging where similar. We're on the same island together like,

spk_0:   59:20
yeah, between us. Which is also like an emotional intimacy that she's not used to, even though it's platonic. Yes. Now we see this this'll transition shot of like the sunshine or the sunset, and the music is just gorgeous. This is kind of like a little breather from this.

spk_1:   59:37
They really do take care of us, like they you know, we go through the wringer with her, but then the music comforts, you know, like they allow us to be comforted. And you also feel her healing

spk_0:   59:50
a little. You know, there's just this kind of soothing nature to it flea bag. Come back to the room at night and crossing her bed first, can't sleep. And the seven she crawls in, declares bed. And I keep coming back when I watch the show of like What a lesser show would do. And I thought, Oh, they're gonna go top to toe Like when they were kids referenced right? But that's a little on the nose, honestly. And But instead, it's like No, what's important, the relationship now and just the fact that, like they need each other right So she gets

spk_1:   1:0:20
behind her on these. Well, what's cute is that you

spk_0:   1:0:22
you wonder like it's clear. Gonna like, push her out or whatever, and Clear grabs her hand and pulls it around,

spk_1:   1:0:27
And they

spk_0:   1:0:28
both were just kind of acknowledging, like We're scared, right? Something. But we're both going through something that we have under scared. Yeah, and then the next morning, they cut to the exact same shot is another great editing in the direction where they cut to the exact same shot. But it's morning, Claire is gone, and I felt like it's almost like they had an emotional one

spk_1:   1:0:47
night stand. Claire had to get the hell out of that. We both just got very real for a second. And then I'm keep yours because believe exceeds the

spk_0:   1:0:56
batteries, which is like Q. It's almost like an acknowledgement. But it's like, Why did

spk_1:   1:1:00
clearly? I think it was just a message. I think it was just like by I think she was just saying goodbye. Yeah, and maybe you'll need these. Oh, no, she doesn't need them. Fleabag

spk_0:   1:1:09
knows where the reserves are. Yeah, runs down to the group and she's just forgetting the rules at this point.

spk_1:   1:1:14
Oh, I think she knows the rules. She shows the rules. That's what I mean. 00 throw

spk_0:   1:1:18
world. She's forgetting. She's throwing them out the window and just saying like,

spk_1:   1:1:21
I don't see myself medio right? And I think she's also a little bit

spk_0:   1:1:25
in a panic of like,

spk_1:   1:1:26
Where did she go? What we were doing this together. We had this moment I weigh, had that we were the closest we've been since we were Children. Right? And I woke up alone,

spk_0:   1:1:34
right, and she sees the note on the chalkboard, which gone home left money at reception,

spk_1:   1:1:39
just needed a bit

spk_0:   1:1:40
of quiet high heart away from this silent retreat. But it also means the quiet is to get away from maybe having to confront these realities with flea bag and kind of just quiet her mind from what flea bag was bringing out exactly. Then she swatches down.

spk_1:   1:1:58
Now am I crazy? No, I reaches her hand down.

spk_0:   1:2:01
Her pants look like a she like about to masturbate. What's happening? Does she have the burr with her? The battery. She pulls out her phone and even kind of looks at us like maybe I know. Ha ha. Gotcha. It's my phone and calls booze voicemail. And we hear which have messages so funny about, Please leave me a message. Oh, and it's just that I needed to hear that voice

spk_1:   1:2:26
again in the place she calls the voicemail a lot. Yeah, Yeah, she calls it multiple times. Yeah, and I think it's good she's alone again. I think she recognizes was a really nice moment with Claire. But then to have that closeness and then to have it removed it like then you, then you're even more alone like then you're right. Realized what you lack. Yeah, and so she like and also she was in the bed with Boo in that much back she like.

spk_0:   1:2:54
It's all so real. It's all too similar. And then she turns the Cameron says Somebody should probably disconnect that. It's, you know, the reality of Boo being gone and maybe also a hint of her saying, I need to let this go. Yeah, like somebody should disconnect that. So I don't keep calling it and which has been the theme of the silent retreat of, like, letting go of your past and it's almost a little like at the end of the show. And she waves goodbye to us. Yeah, and it's kind of like, you know, she needs to move on from actually being that clinging that close to the booth memory.

spk_1:   1:3:29
Yeah, yeah, this is This ending was so dramatic. I mean, just you you're sort of low old into this. Well, I

spk_0:   1:3:38
don't know what I'm saying. No, I know it's the idea of, like you think, Oh, it's this funny retreat.

spk_1:   1:3:43
Hey, it's her whole thing is we're holding

spk_0:   1:3:46
about opening up with humor and then hitting you in the heart. Punch

spk_1:   1:3:49
anyone the heart.

spk_0:   1:3:49
And you think it's this wacky like Oh, these two at a silent retreat. And then it turns out to actually have this real residence between the two of them. Yeah, but then it goes back to the hard guitar

spk_1:   1:4:00
writing credit jumps out. Yeah, so it's almost like we're not totally

spk_0:   1:4:05
softening up here. She still has some stuff going on. Exactly, and

spk_1:   1:4:09
that's it. And I think what I think what

spk_0:   1:4:11
works so well about this episode two is just the focus in one

spk_1:   1:4:14
location. It's not quite a bottle. That was just say, it's a bottle of It's not quite a

spk_0:   1:4:19
bottle episode, but it is starting to. Maybe it's feel less fragmented in terms of, like number of characters and places we're going and scenes we're seeing

spk_1:   1:4:28
not like following her around London. Yeah,

spk_0:   1:4:31
and But it also works in terms of her development of like she's maybe cutting out some of the of the noise and trying to maybe just strengthen the relationships that are closest to her, are realizing that she even can right and needs to. Yeah, so

spk_1:   1:4:46
it's a It's a beautiful episode. It

spk_0:   1:4:48
really is, I think, probably for me. The stand out of Season one agreed next up, we're going to get to Season one Episode five Which is the Memorial lunch for Claire in flea bags. Mom and godmother is

spk_1:   1:5:01
breaking out the champagne as you d'oh

spk_0:   1:5:03
and leaving the flowers on the doorstep. Uh, this is a great episode two, I think. Like we said, the ball's really rolling.

spk_1:   1:5:10
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